Assuming he did held back it woudn't matter, most people who are weaker than goku would have had a harder time blocking trunks full swing strikes, goku did it with a finger while trunks was in SSJ(which to be honest that alone proves trunks wasn't holding back) Goku already seemed to be far above everyone else and the only reason why he lost to android 19 is because of his heart disease, if it wasn't for that he would have stomped 19 in a few minutes due to gero only gathering data up to the saiyan saga. Goten was able to go MSSJ at the age of 7 without having previous knowledge of the form. For example, Tien's power level during the Trunks Saga will be around 70,000 and will … Heck i doubt they can even destroy the moon. Goten/Trunks were, as much as I hate to say it, at least on par with Final Form Freeza each, and if not then very close to. He was able to learn MSSJ before he could fly. Name: Gotenks Origin: Dragon Ball. She is after the prize money in the first place. She was trying to end the fight as quickly as possible due to the power they surprisingly had, and she likely wanted to end it due to how the area would end up in the result of their fight.She wasn't intimated at all when they went SSJ, why would she? Elder Kai draws out your entire potential and even pushes it beyond, meaning that they'd be a lot stronger than Ultimate Gohan as I believe they have more potential than him. Other powerful fighters in the series have had lightning at some point or another, without being SSJ2. Trunks Special Android 17: 60,000,000 Android 18: 60,000,000 SS Gohan: 70,000,000 SS Trunks: 45,000,000: Here, the Android's power levels are based on the guesses from the Android saga. Goten pressuring GOHAN of all people in a sparring session? Trunks is equal to Goku when he fought against Frieza on planet Namek, while fighting against Frieza's soldiers Trunks's power level only reads 5 on their scouters. They created illusionary doppelgangers to confuse the boys. With that power level the SSJ goten and trunks have, you made them rival 100% form frieza in namek. And I had made an argument of how frieza would be able to beat goten/trunks. Manga and Anime. Also does this mean Goku Black is at least SSG power level? Kaioken= Base x1.5- 20. 18 was holding back as per agreement and killing your opponent means instant disqualification. Doubt it. Can you show me trunks training in gravity? Gohan had to give them instructions since they didn't know how to use their ki. It's more likely that as SSJ they are around Freeza's max level or above apiece. @deathhero61: Using the wrong kind of debating. The two young Super Saiyans then fused and became Super Saiyan Gotenks. Being near goku's level or vegeta's is ridiculous by all standards. The legitimately only reason why he failed to beat 19 was because of his heart disease. And we know that they are both much weaker than Cell-era SSJ2 Gohan. And a punch from them barely scratched her while one good strike from her had them struggling to get up. Discussion had at work wondering what everyone thinks. Around Ascended Super Saiyan Vegeta level to SSJ Goku (Cell Games) level. Tier: At least High 4-C, 4-B as a Super Saiyan | 4-B | 4-B. @reaverlation: I must not remember that fight very well then. Trunks and Goten transformed themselves as Super Saiyans. You have to remember, Goten/Trunks were SSJ1 amazingly early. Super Saiyan Grade 3= Base x75. I'm saying that Goten and Trunks turning SSJ is a Ki amplificationThe ki amplification argument in general is pretty baseless and if the best support you have is ToP Anime power-scaling inconsistencies (the ToP Anime is joked on for how poor Toei did its power-scaling), there's definitely a problem. Nappa and Vegeta both had it during the Saiyan saga. both Goten and trunks have power level in the tens of millions they stomp terribly. remember ssj 2 is only a 100x power increase. @vampiricshaman: "Naturally, it's a Super Saiyan bargain sale" I died. Who are they stronger than without fusion? When Goku first appeared in the original series, he was 12yrs old. Azariah We also don't know how fusions are quantified, so we can't say for sure. I need a pure showcase proving at least that. 8.1 Piccolo Jr. Saga. Even at 18's PL, they could very well stomp buu depending on how well fusion works. Raditz vs. Goku and Piccolo. Which may be to say that Goten and Trunks (as individuals) working together could take out Freeza. But the fusion, IMO, has more to do with the fusies. I especially say this because goku was casually outperforming trunks who oneshotted an amped frieza, with a FINGER. The fact that she was "scared" of their blast was PIS considering 18 is supposed to be stronger than frieza the guy who blows up planets every other day when he was alive. Powers and Stats. Not without fusion. Because we can compare feats right now and they are not even there yet i'd argue. Trunks is stronger because of his age, he has one full year of training over Goten, and we've all seen what a Saiyain can accomplish in one year. 3 years ago. Besides we do not know how goku would have fared against 18. Big Sok • 7 December 2019 • User blog:Big Sok. Base Edit. after the buu saga, powers are based on Theory and multipliers DRAGON BALL CLÁSSICO Contents . Technically, future Trunks is stronger because for all we know, he still trained after defeating cell and 17 and 18. So yeah, fusion is hella OP. Fathers and sons face off against their rivals, Gohan & Goku vs Vegeta & Trunks POWER LEVELS. In the manga she stomped them while not even trying which in turn they had no choice but to go SSJ. Who are they weaker than without fusion? Like i said we do not know how 18 would far against goku. Power Levels of dragon ball z official (up to DBS). Super Saiyan Trunks 150,000,000 Even with Frieza's cybernetic enhancements he is still no match for a Super Saiyan that is around the same power level as Goku's when they fought on Namek. The fact that she is supposed to be superior to frieza anyway negates this showcase entirely. If you noticed when he showed up Whis and Beerus were surprised. I do not add in amplified blasts as those feats are too inconsistent to mark. If so, Trunks and Goten have this one securely in the bag too. Tarble says that Abo and Cado are "As strong as Freeza was". Skinny Edit. Comments. Heck he would have stomped him in base. Anyway, the opponents he/she has beaten or fought well against must be considered over feats in order to justify power. They haven't shown that level of ki output. Also, Bills wasn't giving that estimation based on Goku's full base potential. Goten is a prodigy youngest Super Saiyan of all time and Trunks is the son of Vegeta. There is one thing wrong with those power level, when goten and trunks … both Goten and trunks have power level in the tens of millions they stomp terribly. So my best estimates for these two are around Freeza's base level and Freeza's 1st form power. Trunks is equal to Goku when he fought against Frieza on planet Namek, while fighting against Frieza's soldiers Trunks's power level only reads 5 on their scouters. Also it was clear to everyone that Freeza transformed after King Cold and his crew recovered Freeza's body. Since Gohan can almost take on both of them, he probably has around 70,000,000. 8.1.1 Dragon Ball Z Kai; 8.2 Saiyan Saga; 9 Raditz … These little guys have a huge advantage on Gohan in potential. Finally some new official power levels have been confirmed. (they showed nothing that suggested major improvement in the ROSAT) And plus the thing everyone is forgetting is that android 18 in the manga actually stomped the boys in a few pages and forced them to go SSJ. What power? @reikai: I don't listen to those who use filler to back up their argument. Goku does similar. He has been doing that since the Piccolo junior arc. But yeah i'd say they are around frieza's level but not final form. If its more than that its possible he might be a rogue God of Destruction from another universe. Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Freeza’s Transformations= Form x2. @dratini1331: Yeah in base level.When they turned SSJ and fired a simple Ki blast at her, she was crapping her pants at the power they released.I'd say above 18.If this was true about being around 18 power level, then their fusions shouldn't be as strong as to the point of surpassing SSJ2's and rivaling SSJ3's. Actually yeah i do wanna hear his thoughts as well. Gotenks is beaten by Majin Buu. Goten and Trunks had the advantage over Gohan of being born as tailless hybrids, which gave them an incredible growth of power even above tailed hybrids, as well as making the ability to transform to Ssj for the first time very easy. Nope. Edit. And was allot more than she thought and wanted to end the fight quickly due to how the fight might do to the stadium, plus krillin told her to holdback during tournament.) Compared to Trunks, Goten was slightly weaker, admitted by Goten himself and noted by Goku when he was teaching them the fusion technique and told Trunks to lower his ki a little to match Goten's. @pope052 , thoughts? So my best estimates for these two are around Freeza's base level and Freeza's 1st form power. 1 Emperor Pilaf Saga; 2 Tournament Saga; 3 Red Ribbon Saga; 4 General Blue Saga; 5 Commander Red Saga; 6 Fortuneteller Baba Saga; 7 Tenshinhan Saga; 8 Piccolo Daimao Saga. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Others 4 Discussions Trunks(トランクス) is a protagonist in theDragon Ballmanga, and the anime seriesDragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball Super. As for where i'd rank them, they did give #18 some trouble in the tournament and there's no evidence to suggest she was holding back either. That was in the World Martial Arts right? Once she saw trunks energy blast she stated she had to end the fight quickly likely due to how the stadium would end up at the rate they were going. Which, again, could mean anything. I would say around base form Frieza or just above King Piccolo. @deathhero61: The kids aren't that weak dude.They're just that powerful to do that to 18. Also what does Goku blasting nukes have to do with it? We know that Goku and the rest of the Z fighters all suppress their power levels when they aren't fighting. Which may place Goten and Trunks around 1.5-2mil a piece. Hard to say, but before I give my two cents on where i'd agree to rank them I must concur with @reaverlation, feats aren't to be considered in terms of judging the power and ranking of a Dragon Ball character to a certain point. Get Anime Apparel here: http://bit.ly/AnimeCartoonApparel Use code meme for an Extra 5% discount ($49+)! There was no evidence that anyone besides the people who was on namek during the frieza saga saw him transform so no. The fact that 18 according to you "shit her pants" when they threw a ki blast is PIS since weaker versions of herself and her brother were casually nuking cities when they weren't trying. Goten or Trunks. Unless you want to argue that Mr Popo is on the same level as a Super Saiyan for blocking hits from the boys on the Lookout, who both went SSJ against him. And she even said that she underestimated them which suggest she was holding back. Gohan was so much stronger than cell when he owned him. I seriously doubt BOS DBS Goku couldn't take Frieza. Super Saiyan= x50. And once they remembered how to detect their opponents, they quite easily beat down on Abo and Cabo, forcing them to merge. How that can be interpreted is anyone's guess. That is not to say he never has. And dont mention gotenks cause the guy said frieza vs trunks or goten, not both of them. Goten is Gohan's younger brother and Trunks' best friend. Give me your power levels. Fusion power levels...one of the worst things when discussing DBZ lol... And she was laughing at Vegeta's Big Bang attack... like a said it may have been filler but i was wrong it was only 150 times and i forgot goku could do that later in the 100x training. Goten and Trunks still haven't shown anything to put them on planet busting level let alone planet busting durability. And I wanted someone else opinion on this. Somehow? Super Saiyan 2= Base x100. Don't be fooled by lightning. @deathhero61: No it isn't. The power levels for the non-canon GT, which follow Goku saying that Rilldo is "stronger than Buu" . They seem to be around Piccolo's or Trunks level. It was written by akira and Tarbles was mentioned in the next movie battle of the gods. Even if they were above namek goku SOMEHOW, based on that one showcase against 18 they would still be below piccolo and future trunks. Main article: List of Power Levels. Base Edit. Goten is known for looking almost identical to his father as a child, to the point when Goku firs… He barely struggled. Trunks and Goten were going all out while 18 was keeping herself restrained. But by the time Buu rolls around, Goku and Vegeta are both many times stronger than Gohan was at Cell. Son Goku and his Friends Return" when Tarble first meets Goku. They needed the year long ROSAT training to surpass the androids (and Cell too lol)? Anyway, considering frieza blew up planet vegeta in his first form and that is just a power level of 500 000 it is safe to assume that goten and trunks could blow up planets if they wanted to. You're just denying what's obviously shown. They are based on the facts that SSj3 is SSj2 x4 and SSj2 is SSj1 x2. Needless to say, both Goten and Trunks have a lot of training to do before they can hit the same power levels as their dear old dads, fusion or no. @reikai: It had to be base level Frieze because Tarble wasn't around when Frieza transformed. Thats basically what i mean as well. Use code memes for an Extra 10% discount ($99+)!Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DBZMackyFollow me on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dbzmacky/Join the POWER LEVEL COMMUNITY's official Discord Server!https://discordapp.com/invite/ksP3QtGLet us know if you agree or disagree with the video, and discuss Power Scaling with us, for all Comics and Anime.Dragon Ball Super Power Levels and Dragon Ball Heroes Power Levels are all fan made and original, based on official power levels from the databooks, manga, anime and the daizenshuu guidebooks. Which may place Goten and Trunks around 1.5-2mil a piece. Tier: High 4-C. Name: Goten Origin: Dragon Ball. 3,000,000. And Toriyama also revealed that 1 Kili is 1.000.000 in power level and thus SSj FP Goku is 3.000.000.000 and Yakon is 800.000.000. To be honest thats very hard to tell. Edit. Going from frieza's men and frieza himself, all the way to the androids and cell's forms and the z fighters and dabura and what not. Abo and Cabo would be in their 30's or 40's at the least. If you see the uncut anime they do go to a scene on one of Freeza's planets where his men are monitoring the fight via their sensors of the combatants power levels. Goten and Trunks seem to have their power levels as equals, due to Goten and Trunks requesting fusion through multiple moments in Dragon Ball GT. Classic editor History Comments Share. During the time he was far above everyone. Vegeta also states that in the excitement of the fight that Trunks was forgetting his basic training. This time speculation will be taken without other forms of media. @deathhero61: For the obvious fact that Namek Goku would get slaughtered by 18? Dragon Ball GT Edit. 150,000,000. He was also already away Goku could go Super Saiyan and was more just poking fun at him. I think the U7 Saiyans are a step above the U6 and personally think Goten and Trunks stomp them but wondering what everyone else thinks. Power Levels Beginning of Dragonball Z Raditz vs. Farmer. So trunks being stronger than goku during the android saga is stupid to be honest. Saiyan. @deathhero61: Zarbon knew, but never saw. However, because the Fusion Dance requires near-equal, if not identical power levels of each of the fused individuals, Trunks had to lower his power level to match Goten's since his was slightly higher from being one year older. Raditz vs Goku and Piccolo Farmer: 5 Raditz(Suppressed): 1,200 Piccolo(Weights): 322 Goku(Weights): 334 Gohan: 1 Chichi: 90 Piccolo: 322 Krillin: 206 Bulma: And what was shown may i ask? Plus Trunks said otherwise that he was holding back and even then goku was still stronger. Forms Super Saiyan. Also Goku would lose vs 18, , Also, Trunks held back vs Goku, I would say SSj trunks is atleast twice as strong as goku was when goku first entered namek mainly for what probably was filler about trunks in vegetas gravity room that was at 200 times earths gravity where goku was struggling under the 100x earth gravity when he was training to get their and goten is somewhere close to that level based on the world tournament. Freeza only ever stated that King Vegeta never saw him transform. You're using Marvel/DC rules and not how DBZ is suppose to be debated. So they are weaker than Roshi in DB now?? Looking at the fight, before Abo and Cabo started using their special abilities, Goten and Trunks were handling them rather easily. (because the blast they shot was surprisingly strong. This is something i been wondering and been speculating about for months ever since i been rewatching the Buu Saga from DBZ. She stomped vegeta so she wouldn't be scared of the kids turning ssj. Their SSJ fusion was around SSJ3 Goku and Fat Buu level from Goku's and Piccolo's words. Just maybe, ssj vegeta when he first appeared in the android saga but cell saga goku is really and i mean really pushing it. Gohan wasn't that inexperienced when he fought Cell. Which may place Goten and Trunks around 1.5-2mil a piece. 5 Gotenks divided by 80,000,000,000 Fat And Skinny Have The Same Power Level. Firstly ssj form is not a set number, it simply multiplies the base power of a saiyan by 50. He has also helped in giving Goku his energy, along with the help of Trunks and Gohan during the Baby Saga. Maybe not even they can break through time and space dimensional portals and time travel so what if they don't even stand a chance against Goku Black? In the ova with vegeta brother, they were fighting someone around frieza level, and is cannon since the battle of gods mentioned vegeta brother.So I said around future trunks lv or little bit above, before the hyperbolic time chamber training. Trunks and Goten are nowhere near Mirai Trunks nor Piccolo. Goten/Powers, Stats, and Abilities < Goten. The fusion only lasts for 30 minutes and using Super Saiyan 3 reduces this time to 5 minutes. We also know that people who can sense Ki can feel the true ability of others, regardless if they are suppressing it, so long as they are near enough to feel their presence. Goten having trouble with chichi? Super Saiyan Trunks. We also know this is Canon since Tarble is also mentioned in the later film "Battle of Gods". If they were far above goku in every category then that would mean during the buu saga when they were going to where buu and the others were they would have caught up in half a second. Anyone honestly thinking Base Goten (if he went back to the Trunks saga) could defeat Future Super Saiyan Trunks, must be out of their mind. Also I said Kid Gohan was stronger than Goku in the Cell Games. We also know that Birus says that he doesn't feel Goku could've beaten Freeza when seeing him in base form, which most likely means he was examining Goku's full base potential, which at the time of the Buu Saga was 60mil, half of Freeza's maximum. Furiza probably has the same level here as in the Namek saga. You keep thinking that. Given this we do know that Goten and Trunks are nowhere near their parents in terms of ability. they were hard pressed when fighting android 18. So two Cell Juniors would probably either beat the two of them, or it'd be a really close match. Why SSJ Vegito was 2 leagues ahead of SSJ3 Gotenks. She was surprised because her opponent was supposed to be a weak, pitiful human with no ability. So you are telling me goku cannot launch nukes? #18 was not 'crapping her pants'. Get Anime Apparel here: http://bit.ly/AnimeCartoonApparelUse code meme for an Extra 5% discount ($49+)! Powers and Stats. 1.No. He only saw Frieza at his base. Now, when they are okay to use, that's only when the said character hasn't beaten/fought anybody in order to put a label on his power so thus we'd reduce it down to feats, but if there is none, then that character is practically impossible to debate for. In the DBZ special movie involving the appearance of Vegeta's younger brother, Tarble, it had been mentioned that Abo and Cabo, two former special squad members on the same ranking as the Ginyu Force, had become as tough as Freeza. Goten vs. Trunks. Kamehameha's power level 924 Piccolo Special Beam Cannon's power level 1,330 Gohan Hidden Potential released 1,307 Gohan 1 Piccolo Special Beam Cannon's power level 1,440 Vegeta Saga (trainings) Master Roshi Base 139 Krillin 206 Turtle 0.001 Tien Shinhan 250 Yamcha 177 Piccolo With Weighted Clothing 329 Mr. Popo 1,030 King Kai 3,500 So yeah im in denial and what not. what may i ask? 10,000,000,000 Can fight Mira (Suppressed; Online) Super Saiyan Edit. Neither Goten nor Trunks ever ascends beyond the level of SSJ. So 5yrs after Buu Saga the difference wouldn't be that much Even my best conservative estimates put him at a highest of 70-72mil by the time of "Battle of Gods". But says they'd be perfect for the kids. The lightning doesn't make you SSJ2. There are other factors that show a … That would mean that they are more powerful than namek goku which i refuse to believe. Tier: High 4-C. Name: Goten Origin: Dragon Ball. 750,000,000,000 1.5x Super Saiyan Super Saiayn 2 Edit. Maybe. re: East Kaioshin vs SSJ Goten and Trunks He maybe able to take one of them thanks to his magic but even one on one he's sorely outclassed power level … Goten is Gohan's younger brother and Trunks' best friend. Like - trivially losing to 18 to trivially dominating semi-perfect Cell level stuff, which is gigantic. Cell Absorptions= … Super Saiyan 3= Base x400. Goku and vegeta at their maxes were getting crushed by buuhan IIRC. 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